Achtung! Ratio req.

[bb_fan]

It is just nothing but bad to make people stop seeding. Any rule that makes people stop seeding is bad. Try to justify this nonsense with logic and reasoning. I would be very interested.

[andoRRR1111]

I can completely understand the admins' approach. They upload countless games per day and a lot of people just take for granted that these few admins seed until they are 100% sure there'll be no more leechers. If nobody seeds, nobody can download, that's what the torrent system is all about, give and take. If you want good sports content, you won't find it anywhere without paying for it or seeding to get a 1.0 ratio or even better. I rather think we should be thankful there are still sites that aren't invite only, like so many other Torrent sites with the best/most content these days.

And yes, I know it's hard if you only download games that are a week old or your internet connection is bad, but why not download the week old torrent with a new torrent of the same team (if you're only interested in one team for example). Even if you won't get any leechers for the old torrent, you'll definitely be able to get some upload on the newer torrent if you leave your torrent program running for a few hours. Nobody can say that they don't have 5 GB of extra space for one more file for a few days. I always seed every torrent I download for about 5 - 7 days, 2 - 3 hours a day, and even when my max upload speed was 100 kb/s I was always able to retain a 1.5 - 2.0 ratio. It may seem harsh, but if you're not even able to retain a 0.1 ratio you won't be able to download any torrents anywhere and you should look for direct download sites, not Torrent sites.

[Stojakovic]

Good move. I'm for even higher ratio requierments.
Gotta stop the hit&run, because there are too many dead torrents on the tracker.

[adeezl]

Good move. I'm for even higher ratio requierments.
Gotta stop the hit&run, because there are too many dead torrents on the tracker.

Yes..by dead torrents you mean like 2-3 days max out on NBA games which I guess must seem to be the most popular overseas. We need a seed point system here to download older games, and especially games that are a few days old.

* I need to update this to say that it's not up to the staff here at 720pier to keep torrents alive after their initial seed. It's 100% up to us as the users to keep and distribute. I for one do not download sports content from the past, but I can see how some people might want to do that, especially considering the hard work the staff here went through to cap/encode/upload for us. For reasons to keep older content available, it might be rather helpful to enforce some sort of seed point system (it takes time for the site to admin this) for an incentive for people to hold onto older content for future distro.

[bb_fan]

Good move. I'm for even higher ratio requierments.
Gotta stop the hit&run, because there are too many dead torrents on the tracker.

This rule will make more torrents die earlier.

[Olegosaccharide]

I just joined now. What can I do to download?

Since I just joined yesterday, I can't download any torrents since my ratio is INF/ 0.00 upload and download - Would someone let me download so I can get a .2 ratio?

kinect

В общем-то тот же вопрос: как я могу начать скачивать, чтобы начать раздавать?)
Сейчас я скачать не могу ни-че-го, следовательно, не могу и уровень раздачи-статуса повысить

[valisystema]

Good move. I'm for even higher ratio requierments.
Gotta stop the hit&run, because there are too many dead torrents on the tracker.

This rule will make more torrents die earlier.

For rules to work, they need to target the actual problem. For dead torrents, you need incentives to seed old content, with seed bonuses of some sort. If reliable seeders are getting crowded out trying to download new content, give them a little time priority on downloading new torrents. If donations to the site are the problem, give privileges of some sort for donors and definitely do not implement policies that encourage users to spend money instead on seedboxes to keep up in the arms race. What doesn't work, especially in the era of vast disparities in bandwidth, is to expect that greedy leeching can be stamped out. The vast majority of people doing this stuff are in it because they like to get the free stuff. Make it attractive to them to also seed with what resources they have.

I arrived recently, and have downloaded most of one team's NHL games from the current season. Knowing how these things go, I prioritized the oldest games, because they are the most likely to go dead. Indeed, already a few appear dead or are on life support. Then I noticed there was a recent emphasis on ratio. I know that 0.1 is quite low, but for late downloaders with spotty bandwidth, I also agree from experience that can be very hard to achieve. I figured I was doomed here if the ratio rule was applied to anything new I wanted to download going forward. As it turned out, I got lucky, as someone else appeared soon after me and leeched some of the old games I had so recently leeched, and I was able to provide a large portion of the data. So as I write this, my ratio is right around 0.1, and there's a good chance I can bump it up with newer games as they get released.

For sports stuff, I'm a hoarder, and for just about every match I have from a torrent, I keep seeding as long as the tracker exists. I've got some items dating back to 2010 that I am still seeding. But that doesn't mean I'm seeding fast, or 24 hours a day, or every day of the month. But for large numbers of files, I'm the only seeder right now from where I acquired them (as I sure as hell didn't cap them myself). I noticed today someone was leeching a 2019 NFL playoff game from me, the only seeder. That's the norm these days, major league playoff games coming and then going dead or nearly so, just a few years later, if not much earlier. That leecher is getting that game slowly, but as long as they keep at, they are going to get it all, because it's not going anywhere on my end. This is a good site with a lot of good content. I am hoping to be that lone future seeder for all my recent downloads. But I am definitely among those who will not be competitive in a big arms race for ratio.

[Stojakovic]

Thanks for the responses, guys.

For whatever reason, seedtimes are low on the site, which is a shame considering the excellence of content. I'm here mostly for basketball documentaries, but some of them are unavailable. The rippers invest an effort, make a great rip available, a few people get it and then it disappears. That situation is far from ideal. It still bugs me that the Allen Iverson documentary has zero seeders.

Whatever the incentive for seeding is, I'll support it.

Personally, I generally seed anything I get at least up to 1.5 ratio, but if the file remains on my drive, I'll seed it in perpetuity.

[bananapatch]

Seedbox is cheap, less than $10 a month. All these sports torrents are FREE. The only reason I paid for cable was for sports; between this site and a few others I am able to ditch it entirely. I am grateful for this service.

I agree that a donation option in lieu of ratio would be a cool option; still, if you can't keep up a .1 ratio then who needs ya.

[valisystema]

$10 a month is enough to buy one 5TB external drive every year and fill it up with content that can be seeded indefinitely. A cheap seedbox gives enough firepower to have some shot at competing for ratio with those either doing the same or who have huge amounts of bandwidth without a seedbox. All for the privilege of filling it up in months or a year, and then deleting all but a few favored files, just like almost everyone else seems to be doing in recent years. If the only goal is simply to distribute daily sports content to fan niches all over the world, that works great in comparison to lots of the alternatives. But with just a bit of imagination and flexibility, it can (still) be lots more than that.

[bb_fan]

Thanks for the responses, guys.

For whatever reason, seedtimes are low on the site, which is a shame considering the excellence of content. I'm here mostly for basketball documentaries, but some of them are unavailable. The rippers invest an effort, make a great rip available, a few people get it and then it disappears. That situation is far from ideal. It still bugs me that the Allen Iverson documentary has zero seeders.

Whatever the incentive for seeding is, I'll support it.

Personally, I generally seed anything I get at least up to 1.5 ratio, but if the file remains on my drive, I'll seed it in perpetuity.

The rule should be a combination of minimum ratio and minimum seed time, whichever comes first.

As to very old content like a years old documentary, there is no way to ensure availability forever. (Iverson was incredible)

[Stojakovic]

^ I get that content may be "very old", but if it is good and especially if it's unavailable elsewhere, effort should be made to preserve it.

I like your idea of seedtime and ratio requirements.

[valisystema]

Minimum seed time or ratio per torrent are okay rules to ensure a short but healthy torrent and relieve pressure from the initial seeders, assuming that is a problem to be solved (does not seem to be now, but I was not here before the ratio requirement). But general seed bonuses (that is, upload credit for time seeding each torrent) can work in combination with a general ratio requirement (presumably significantly higher than 0.1) to encourage a wide range of participation. Note that seed bonuses can be quite stingy and still be worthwhile.

As for whether it is possible to keep everything going forever, any popular content should be easy to keep going with the right incentives. If there are 100+ downloads, all you need is one of them to seed, and all is well. Maybe philosophically, there isn't enough interest in having all regular season games forever, but postseason games and documentaries shouldn't be going dead, especially for the most popular subjects. Also, people requesting reseeds on fairly recent material and not getting them. That doesn't look healthy. (FWIW, one policy I have seen elsewhere is only allow reseed requests from people with acceptable ratio, but be very active about filling those requests. Even if keeping a lot of stuff actively seeded is a bit of a hardship for many, keeping a lot of old content in storage is relatively easy.)

[Stojakovic]

Maybe philosophically, there isn't enough interest in having all regular season games forever, but postseason games and documentaries shouldn't be going dead, especially for the most popular subjects. Also, people requesting reseeds on fairly recent material and not getting them. That doesn't look healthy.

Amen.

[2nafish]

My Ratio is really bad I will make an endeavor to fix it. Also I think 0.1 dl/up most fair btw.

[Fruityloops150]

Got to 0.1 ratio finally, you have to download the content as early as possible to seed enough. After a week nobody is downloading from me anymore.

[bb_fan]

Got to 0.1 ratio finally, you have to download the content as early as possible to seed enough. After a week nobody is downloading from me anymore.

yup. we're competing for ratio. and you made it. congrats.

[dustbun]

I understand the need for this policy. I've been trying to increase my ratio for months. I only download Florida State Seminoles, which are often released when I'm asleep (Pacific time). By the time I download and start seeding, there are few if any leechers left.

[microbe]

Uploaded: 10.38 TiB
Downloaded: 19.13 TiB
Ratio 0.543
I hope im ok?
Я надеюсь, я в порядке?

[fasterisbest]

This definitely is not going to work. I saw this happen with another site. In order to hit the ratio I started trying to upload my own torrent. My recording were shit. So they told me to stop. I watch 1 NHL team. 4.5GB per game. So I need to upload 450mb at 105 or 900mb at 20%. Sounds like not that much. But what if you download 24-48 hours after it is put up and you are one of the last ones to download? What if very few people watch the same game as you? What do I do then? I have never had a problem with there not being enough seeders for an NHL game.