Achtung! Ratio req.

[adeezl]

On some contents will be requesting UP/DL Ratio.
If your has a ratio of less than requested you can't download torrent file.

I had asked about this in 2020 but didn't get much of a response. I agree that if you want open torrent sites to flourish, you have to seed back, or it's worthless for uploaders to spend time encoding/uploading.

Was there a post somewhere else showing ratio requirements? I only see your first post saying requirements will be made on some torrents. Cheers I'm all for seeding, but I think it'll trash your userbase and donations.

* I guess somewhere it was listed 0.1 - seems pretty reasonable. I'm only here for NBA games so it will be a tough battle. We get like 20-40 people on regular season games on lesser liked teams. NHL I get as it's much bigger over in Europe/Russia where you guys are.. maybe NFL during the late season and playoffs. Unfortunately, this could really tank users and ultimately your donations I've donated twice since 2019. We'll see in a few months. Cheers

I'm happy

While I enjoy the enthusiasm, that ratio is not ideal. Mine was a 3.xx here until there were no requirements. I'm on private trackers that require it so I can see it happening on open trackers very quickly.

I got tonight's 4 NHL games (so far) in the past hour, I'm at 97.7GB upload and still going at about 30MB/s...



Added 6pm, it's 6:38pm now. I have never uploaded anything, leeching only.

Sure, NHL will surely get peers, so i've no doubt. I'm only here for NBA though so it will be tough, during regular season you get like 20-40 people on lesser matchups. Also, my speeds are 240/11 so uploading at 1.1mb kind of sucks for me and can take eons. I'll do my best

now for the shit heads:

you're the useless one. you never contributed by seeding what you downloaded. ill be glad if you leave this site. it's users like you who FORCED this decision in the first place. always taking, never sharing back. gtfo

To be fair, 720pier.ru is a totally public tracker.. what do you expect? Most people don't even know what a ratio is, and are not members of private trackers with required ratios. You can't blame them for not knowing.

[NJBloodline]

Check the page of each league, under page Views is the download count. NHL games are lucky to break 100 downloads if you look at the past week of games, though you can push ~250 for a Toronto game.

NBA I'm seeing downloads from 84 at the lowest to almost 1,400 downloads for Warriors vs Bulls. NFL playoffs you're looking at close to 2,000 downloads per game.

NHL won't build you ratio, but these new NBA games with only 20-30 downloads right now will end up with hundreds of downloads, far more than damn near every NHL game.

The numbers don't match your claim.

[adeezl]

Check the page of each league, under page Views is the download count. NHL games are lucky to break 100 downloads if you look at the past week of games, though you can push ~250 for a Toronto game.

NBA I'm seeing downloads from 84 at the lowest to almost 1,400 downloads for Warriors vs Bulls. NFL playoffs you're looking at close to 2,000 downloads per game.

NHL won't build you ratio, but these new NBA games with only 20-30 downloads right now will end up with hundreds of downloads, far more than damn near every NHL game.

The numbers don't match your claim.

What's your DL speed? Your upload is 3x that of mine. You are incorrect on NBA games. I have been on here for 3 years as well.. we do NOT see 1.4k downloads per game at all, not even close.. that's total BS. I do not plan on seeding for months on end either. If they want that, go private, but kiss any donations goodbye. You need members for that. I'm on other private trackers with requirements with 30k+ members, and they can be hit easily at .4+ because they have 10x the members. Targets can possibly be hit, but it'll take time here for lack of peers.

* Yes I see the download counts.. But i'm not sure that is going to make a difference. I'm all for seeding and hope it works out, but I am not confident.

Today's games so far.. 16 peers now as I write over 2 games dude.. 16. Come on now. I'm seeding at 9.6kb.. cool

[kinect]

adeezl,
I think your NAT type is strict. (only 10-20 % of all peers can connect to you). You can buy private IP and open port for torrent client.

[NJBloodline]

Check the page of each league, under page Views is the download count. NHL games are lucky to break 100 downloads if you look at the past week of games, though you can push ~250 for a Toronto game.

NBA I'm seeing downloads from 84 at the lowest to almost 1,400 downloads for Warriors vs Bulls. NFL playoffs you're looking at close to 2,000 downloads per game.

NHL won't build you ratio, but these new NBA games with only 20-30 downloads right now will end up with hundreds of downloads, far more than damn near every NHL game.

The numbers don't match your claim.

What's your DL speed? Your upload is 3x that of mine. You are incorrect on NBA games. I have been on here for 3 years as well.. we do NOT see 1.4k downloads per game at all, not even close.. that's total BS. I do not plan on seeding for months on end either. If they want that, go private, but kiss any donations goodbye. You need members for that. I'm on other private trackers with requirements with 30k+ members, and they can be hit easily at .4+ because they have 10x the members. Targets can possibly be hit, but it'll take time here for lack of peers.

* Yes I see the download counts.. But i'm not sure that is going to make a difference. I'm all for seeding and hope it works out, but I am not confident.

Today's games so far.. 16 peers now as I write over 2 games dude.. 16. Come on now. I'm seeding at 9.6kb.. cool

If it's BS why is it clearly displayed for all to see? viewforum.php?f=34

NBA 2021-2022 / RS / 23.01.2022 / Los Angeles Lakers @ Miami Heat [Basketball, WEB-DL HD/720p/60fps, MKV/H.264, EN/SPECSN] - 954 downloads
NBA 2021-2022 / RS / 23.01.2022 / Utah Jazz @ Golden State Warriors [Basketball, WEB-DL HD/720p/60fps, MKV/H.264, EN/NBCSBA] - 896 downloads
NBA 2021-2022 / RS / 20.01.2022 / Indiana Pacers @ Golden State Warriors [Basketball, WEB-DL HD/720p/60fps, MKV/H.264, EN/TNT] - 768 downloads
NBA 2021-2022 / RS / 14.01.2022 / Golden State Warriors @ Chicago Bulls [Basketball, WEB-DL HD/720p/60fps, MKV/H.264, EN/ESPN] - 1379 downloads

Find me a regular season NHL game with those numbers.

As for the 2 games you mentioned from today, they're only at 50 downloads, so you can expect 5x that within the next 3-4 days. That's hardly long term seeding. It's barely minimum effort.

[Simmo33]

UK throttles uploads hard. No way to accomplish these targets.

Moving on.

Lol OK mate. I see you have literally 0 upload. My ratio is 1.44 and I'm in England. I can easily reach >1 ratio on an NBA game by downloading early and seeding for about 12 hours.

EDIT: I downloaded yesterday's Portland vs. Minnesota game about 20 minutes after it was posted, and my ratio reached 1.00 after 5 hours.

[poopadoor]

Hello, thank you very much for the explanation. I think that the vast majority of users will not be able to download the games that require the new torrent ratio. I think what you are doing is a mistake. In my case, as an example, I can't have the PC on for so many hours a day or a week to be able to share my games in torrent. I also don't have enough hard disk capacity to have my PC full of games that at least occupy 3-4-5gb even more. I hope you review this new requirement, otherwise you will lose many users. I think that if your goal is to earn money, you can do it directly and not make as many users dizzy as I do. Many thanks to all the uploaders for selflessly sharing so many matches. But apparently this seems to change. As I have said before, the internet is infinite and if it is not here we will find the matches in other places. Greetings and sorry for the language, I use a translator.

Buy a raspberry pi 4 2gb and 100+gb usb pen drive, install raspbian, install torrent software, download and share.
Pi4 use 6W+ all the time. Minimal cost.

[bb_fan]

Guys, be careful...

Peers who seed files for weeks and months with high upload speeds and 24/7 do the community an immense service. They should be commended and nothing but praised for making so much content available to so many of us. But in this thread there were several comments demanding that they stop doing what helps us all to get those nice games. This is insane. And all because of an new rule of a minimum ratio that makes us rival for upload volume. "Stop uploading so much! Share less! Stop seeding!"

This makes no sense. A perfect way to sabotage our principal interest. Driving away those users with such technical potential is like shooting us in the foot. We must avoid to disincentivize heavy seeding.

I want to urge to carefully assess other options for new rules. It seems to me a rule of minimum seed time allows every user to do their part. The infrastructure on this site to collect according statistics should be available. It's clear that users will always differ very much in their ability to seed. Some are poor. Some have very slow upload speeds. Some struggle with english, those are not in this thread. Many just don't have the skill to set up a seed box. Their old laptop gives them enough trouble. All while other users handle the technology with ease and have strong hardware anyway, on which seeding gives them no additional trouble.

The torrent system was intended to hook up everyone.

Maybe it would be possible so set a rule that one must seed a particular file until either a week has passed or a ratio of 0.1 for that file has been reached (exact numbers are up for debate). Whichever comes first. This would allow every user to do their part, while guys with fast connections and seedboxes can just keep everything running.

During the recent days I have changed my behaviour and seed much longer now. But I doubt I will ever get above 0.1.

In any event, tip of the hat to the "power seeders"!

[Simmo33]

Personally I think the best option would be something similar to what is used on many private music trackers. I'm not sure if this is possible to implement here on 720pier but it would work something like this:
Users have a ratio requirement only once they have passed a certain total download amount e.g. 50gb.
Users who have not met this ratio are placed on "ratio watch". This means they are given a certain number of days to reach the required ratio e.g. 14 days.
If they do not reach the requirement after this period has passed, only then are they prohibited from downloading anything more.

This gives all users who are not currently reaching the required ratio a chance to do so.

Any thoughts?

[adeezl]

Check the page of each league, under page Views is the download count. NHL games are lucky to break 100 downloads if you look at the past week of games, though you can push ~250 for a Toronto game.

NBA I'm seeing downloads from 84 at the lowest to almost 1,400 downloads for Warriors vs Bulls. NFL playoffs you're looking at close to 2,000 downloads per game.

NHL won't build you ratio, but these new NBA games with only 20-30 downloads right now will end up with hundreds of downloads, far more than damn near every NHL game.

The numbers don't match your claim.

What's your DL speed? Your upload is 3x that of mine. You are incorrect on NBA games. I have been on here for 3 years as well.. we do NOT see 1.4k downloads per game at all, not even close.. that's total BS. I do not plan on seeding for months on end either. If they want that, go private, but kiss any donations goodbye. You need members for that. I'm on other private trackers with requirements with 30k+ members, and they can be hit easily at .4+ because they have 10x the members. Targets can possibly be hit, but it'll take time here for lack of peers.

* Yes I see the download counts.. But i'm not sure that is going to make a difference. I'm all for seeding and hope it works out, but I am not confident.

Today's games so far.. 16 peers now as I write over 2 games dude.. 16. Come on now. I'm seeding at 9.6kb.. cool

If it's BS why is it clearly displayed for all to see? viewforum.php?f=34

NBA 2021-2022 / RS / 23.01.2022 / Los Angeles Lakers @ Miami Heat [Basketball, WEB-DL HD/720p/60fps, MKV/H.264, EN/SPECSN] - 954 downloads
NBA 2021-2022 / RS / 23.01.2022 / Utah Jazz @ Golden State Warriors [Basketball, WEB-DL HD/720p/60fps, MKV/H.264, EN/NBCSBA] - 896 downloads
NBA 2021-2022 / RS / 20.01.2022 / Indiana Pacers @ Golden State Warriors [Basketball, WEB-DL HD/720p/60fps, MKV/H.264, EN/TNT] - 768 downloads
NBA 2021-2022 / RS / 14.01.2022 / Golden State Warriors @ Chicago Bulls [Basketball, WEB-DL HD/720p/60fps, MKV/H.264, EN/ESPN] - 1379 downloads

Find me a regular season NHL game with those numbers.

As for the 2 games you mentioned from today, they're only at 50 downloads, so you can expect 5x that within the next 3-4 days. That's hardly long term seeding. It's barely minimum effort.

I am not against seeding. I do it long-term on multiple other private trackers with some cheap hardware. I am glad they are doing requirements. I had asked about this before because we had so many leechers that would bail. I also agree with Kinect about 0.1 ratio is absolutely tiny and easily doable. I was talking more for people with awful connections. For sports, yeah holding something weeks to months is long-term seeding.

Sports are not the same as gaming or movie/tv media. Sports bring much lower people, especially older regular season games. When ups are around 5GB and we only have to seed a measly 500mb.. people should be happy. Unlike 40-100GB triple A video games or blu-ray movies, the seeding reqs here are tiny. Surely we agree on that.

On many private trackers, you get seed points for DL and seeding older torrents so you don't get penalized for wanting to download something with zero recycle from the past.

adeezl,
I think your NAT type is strict. (only 10-20 % of all peers can connect to you). You can buy private IP and open port for torrent client.

I use multiple VPN clients already, and can easily upload at full speed. My ISP is only 240/11 real speeds though. It can sometimes just be that we don't have many peers downloading for hours after they upload. I don't have an issue with the .1 requirement, I think it's very little to ask for the site. I am for a seed requirement.

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What's your DL speed? Your upload is 3x that of mine. You are incorrect on NBA games. I have been on here for 3 years as well.. we do NOT see 1.4k downloads per game at all, not even close.. that's total BS. I do not plan on seeding for months on end either. If they want that, go private, but kiss any donations goodbye. You need members for that. I'm on other private trackers with requirements with 30k+ members, and they can be hit easily at .4+ because they have 10x the members. Targets can possibly be hit, but it'll take time here for lack of peers.

* Yes I see the download counts.. But i'm not sure that is going to make a difference. I'm all for seeding and hope it works out, but I am not confident.

Today's games so far.. 16 peers now as I write over 2 games dude.. 16. Come on now. I'm seeding at 9.6kb.. cool

If it's BS why is it clearly displayed for all to see? viewforum.php?f=34

NBA 2021-2022 / RS / 23.01.2022 / Los Angeles Lakers @ Miami Heat [Basketball, WEB-DL HD/720p/60fps, MKV/H.264, EN/SPECSN] - 954 downloads
NBA 2021-2022 / RS / 23.01.2022 / Utah Jazz @ Golden State Warriors [Basketball, WEB-DL HD/720p/60fps, MKV/H.264, EN/NBCSBA] - 896 downloads
NBA 2021-2022 / RS / 20.01.2022 / Indiana Pacers @ Golden State Warriors [Basketball, WEB-DL HD/720p/60fps, MKV/H.264, EN/TNT] - 768 downloads
NBA 2021-2022 / RS / 14.01.2022 / Golden State Warriors @ Chicago Bulls [Basketball, WEB-DL HD/720p/60fps, MKV/H.264, EN/ESPN] - 1379 downloads

Find me a regular season NHL game with those numbers.

As for the 2 games you mentioned from today, they're only at 50 downloads, so you can expect 5x that within the next 3-4 days. That's hardly long term seeding. It's barely minimum effort.

I am not against seeding. I do it long-term on multiple other private trackers with some cheap NUC hardware. I am glad they are doing requirements. I had asked about this before because we had so many leechers that would bail. I also agree with Kinect about 0.1 ratio is absolutely tiny and easily doable. I was talking more for people with awful connections. For sports, yeah holding something weeks to months is long-term seeding.

Sports are not the same as gaming or movie/tv media. Sports bring much lower people, especially older regular season games. When ups are around 5GB and we only have to seed a measly 500mb.. people should be happy. Unlike 40-100GB triple A video games or blu-ray movies, the seeding reqs here are tiny. Surely we agree on that. I also think that 720pier has the best encodes, especially without commercials and all the other stuff that just makes the site stand out above the rest. I have said before that these guys do a really good job and get things done quickly. I've donated twice before since 2019, and I will again.

On many private trackers, you get seed points for DL and seeding older torrents so you don't get penalized for wanting to download something with zero recycle from the past.

adeezl,
I think your NAT type is strict. (only 10-20 % of all peers can connect to you). You can buy private IP and open port for torrent client.

I use multiple VPN clients already, and can easily upload at full speed. My ISP is only 240/11 real speeds though. My upload sucks, but i'll do what I can. It can sometimes just be that we don't have many peers downloading for hours after they upload. I don't have an issue with the .1 requirement, I think it's very little to ask for the site. I am for a seed requirement.

[3l0h1m]

I understand your arguments, but well, I really don't think "power seeders" will change their behavior based on a few posts here :) Most of them won't even open this thread :)
And as I said I am greatfull for such speed. but when there are more that eg. 50 seeds, it's really not necessary and they can easily set up automatic rules for that.

Also: I have absolutely nothing against the minimum requirements for sharing/ratio and 0,1 is really generous. But I can understand that for some regular users it's still hard to maintain.

My question is: what is more vital for the preservation of the ecosystem of this tracker: a broad user base or just those with seedboxes?
I couldn't have such a decent ratio if I never used a seedbox…

So unfortunately, under current conditions, I take it as a message: buy a seedbox / donate OR create new accounts every week/use publicly available login details OR go elsewhere (Rojadirecta forum OR TL / MTV = private trackers).

Well, we will see what will be the consequences for the tracker, but I already see a relatively large decrease in the numbers of peers / seeders…

And again: Thank you for all the work on this tracker! Sharing is caring!

Peers who seed files for weeks and months with high upload speeds and 24/7 do the community an immense service. They should be commended and nothing but praised for making so much content available to so many of us. But in this thread there were several comments demanding that they stop doing what helps us all to get those nice games. This is insane. And all because of an new rule of a minimum ratio that makes us rival for upload volume. "Stop uploading so much! Share less! Stop seeding!"

[stvnwlsn]

In 2022 torrent sites that worry about ratios are retarded. Big bandwidth users who jump on early are going to hog the ratios. The purpose should be to spread the games. What's the point of uploading if only a handful of people can download. True peer to peer is about spreading to as many people as possible, not being exclusive.

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As far as leechers go, its not your bandwidth they are taking up unless you are seeding. If you are seeding and worried about leechers then you can always stop seeding. Thanks for the concern but there seems to be plenty of bandwidth to go around and seed to everyone in the year 2022.

[Geometrical]

UK throttles uploads hard. No way to accomplish these targets.

Moving on.

Truly pathetic. I'm also from the UK, what you're saying is patently false. I have never seen someone with such a poor ratio. You really are a leech in the truest sense of the word.

Good riddance.

[Neversoft]

UK throttles uploads hard. No way to accomplish these targets.

Moving on.

Truly pathetic. I'm also from the UK, what you're saying is patently false. I have never seen someone with such a poor ratio. You really are a leech in the truest sense of the word.

Good riddance.

I've downloaded a whole 3 files. Yeah, I'm the worst leech of all time. Get over yourself.
Virgin Media has very strict upload limits in my area. I'm capped at 500kbps. I've had all three files active and not once has a seed connected.

>Edit<
OK, 4 files. As of right now, I've got GSW vs MIN active. It says "seeds - 0 (239) | peers 0 (12)" It will stay this way even if I kept my PC on all night; I've tried.
I've never edited any client settings except to add a proxy years ago.
Nothing I've ever downloaded has seeded to others much at all. Even FitGirl repacks don't get hits.
Anything else I could try?

[adeezl]

In 2022 torrent sites that worry about ratios are retarded. Big bandwidth users who jump on early are going to hog the ratios. The purpose should be to spread the games. What's the point of uploading if only a handful of people can download. True peer to peer is about spreading to as many people as possible, not being exclusive.

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As far as leechers go, its not your bandwidth they are taking up unless you are seeding. If you are seeding and worried about leechers then you can always stop seeding. Thanks for the concern but there seems to be plenty of bandwidth to go around and seed to everyone in the year 2022.

While I do agree that on any P2P network the people with the fastest up/down will get a great ratio, but the reqs here are pretty tiny at only 10%. I am thankful they have beef uploads though to give us full speed while downloading. I have an awful upload of a whopping 11Mbps (1.1 actual) and I can pull it off, but I am usually up and checking when games are uploaded. People who do not frequent as often, I can see it as the next day barely 10 people are downloading the two upped games from yesterday.

[pckast]

Concerning the downloading, very few people as of today will download if there are already more then 100 seeders in place. It will only break your ratio.
As of the seeding, I did shut it down this morning about 45 minutes after the initial upload. A whole bunch of seeders already, and only 5 downloads, equals
barely an upload.

Yes, seeding is necessary or there will be nothing to download. but for the seeding to flourish you will need people downloading.
You will not get the needed downloads the way it is now

[Raven316]

Does donating help?

[Geometrical]

Virgin Media has very strict upload limits in my area.

I'm with Virgin Media too, you're just a liar and a bad one at that - you really expect people to believe that an ISP of that standard has regional upload restrictions? Congratulations for finally unrestricting your upload speeds and contributing to your ratio. Perhaps you should consider what kind of a site you're on; if you can't share torrents then follow your own advice and move on.

Moving on.

[offthebench]

You need download as soon as game has added. 20-30 min after torrent added and no one will download from you. So, its real issue with ratio, if u aren't in first 10-20 people groupe.
When i catch lakers or warriors game, i download only for ratio. It doesn't make sense.

[DangerSte]

Virgin Media has very strict upload limits in my area.

I'm with Virgin Media too, you're just a liar and a bad one at that - you really expect people to believe that an ISP of that standard has regional upload restrictions? Congratulations for finally unrestricting your upload speeds and contributing to your ratio. Perhaps you should consider what kind of a site you're on; if you can't share torrents then follow your own advice and move on.

Moving on.

I’m with virgin too, and I don’t see any restrictions, my upload speed isn’t the best, but I still manage to get a fairly decent ratio